S3 Ep 1 - Long COVID and Work: When Pushing Through Leads to a Crash

What happens when you've spent years pushing through long COVID, only to discover that your body has finally had enough?

After an eight-month podcasting hiatus, Katya and Hannah are back with a rather significant life update.

For almost five years, Hannah has continued working full-time despite living with long COVID and fibromyalgia. But after months of increasing exhaustion, a frightening crash at work left her struggling to walk, think clearly or manage even the simplest everyday tasks.

In this episode, Hannah shares what happened, why she's made the enormous decision to leave her job, and what it feels like to step away from a career that's always been such a big part of her identity.

Katya and Hannah discuss the dangers of constantly pushing through fatigue, the difficulty of recognising your own limits, and the complicated relationship between chronic illness, ambition and self-worth.

They also talk about the impact of illness on relationships, the guilt that can come with prioritising rest, and Hannah's plans for a year focused on recovery — including some rather more achievable goals than another professional qualification.

Plus, a brief detour into married names, the questionable merits of their podcast jingle, and an unexpected appearance from Hannah's cat.

An honest, funny and sometimes emotional conversation about long COVID, burnout, learning to rest and discovering that there's more to life than being good at your job.

A note for listeners: This episode discusses a significant deterioration in chronic illness symptoms, disability and leaving employment for health reasons. It reflects Hannah's personal experience rather than medical or employment advice.

Transcript

Katya: 00:02

Hello listeners and welcome back to the Bounded Energy Podcast. It's been a while since Hannah and I recorded, so we thought we'd do a catch-up episode, which is actually going to be two episodes because so much has happened since we last recorded. Hannah and I had gotten a little out of the swing of podcasting and we sort of just dived right into the conversation here. And it was only in re-listening that I realized that if you were one of our regular listeners, the last time you heard us speak was eight months ago, and you might be a little lost. So I'm just going to give a quick recap because while this is a very informal podcast, we do need some signposting. So Hannah and I have been friends for almost 13 years now, and we both have long COVID. Hannah has worked full-time since she first caught COVID in March 2020. She was then working as a speech therapist in an NHS hospital. Hannah went on to develop long COVID, and her latest diagnosis is COVID-induced fibromyalgia. Like many people, Hannah had to change careers due to her illness, and when we last recorded, Hannah was working as a lecturer at a university. If you haven't already, I really recommend listening to the episode Long COVID and work from 2023, where we we discuss that transition in more detail. I just never recovered from a COVID infection that I got in May 2021, and I was diagnosed with long COVID in September of that year. If you're new to the podcast, I really recommend going back to the beginning. But you can, of course, do whatever you want. Okay, so in today's conversation, we discussed what Hannah has been up to since we last spoke. And as you're here, she's been on quite a journey. Before we begin, I'd just like to give a warm welcome to any new listeners. And a hello to all of our old ones. I'm so sorry that this podcast is relevant to you, but I hope that listening to it brings you some comfort. If you enjoy the podcast, please do rate and review us because it helps other people to find us. And finally, we love hearing from you, and I always reply eventually. So if you fancy getting in touch, send us an email at boundedenergy at gmail.com. Um and just apologies, I had the wrong setting on my mic for the whole of this conversation. Uh so my audio is a bit smushed, but luckily I don't speak that much in this one. Alright, no more ado. I hope you enjoy our conversation. So hi Hannah Hello, hello. Even though we've we've just been speaking.

Hannah: 02:45

Yes. Disclaimer, my voice has been quite bad since I had a bad fibro crash in October. So I'm like a bit croakier than usual, and then my voice might deteriorate over the course of the next half an hour, but hopefully not. But it just has done that very quickly when I've had conversations with other people. I don't think it's as bad now, but it was it was really bad like the first month um after my my crash. So yeah, but anyway.

Katya: 03:15

That's so interesting. I've just I haven't heard of a crash impacting your voice.

Hannah: 03:20

Yeah, I think it's just your your larynx, your vocal anatomy is just tired.

Katya: 03:28

Yeah. Yeah. Matty always said you had a great voice for podcasting. So we'll get this we'll get this like smooth, quiet, croaky voice. Yeah, apologies, listeners. No, it's fine. Um, speaking of podcasts and voice, I actually I re-listened to our last episode, Hannah. Oh, really? Yeah, because I was trying to work out where had we left off. Oh god. Can you remember?

Hannah: 03:58

No, no, I can't.

Katya: 04:00

So it was April 2024.

Hannah: 04:04

April 2024. Okay.

Katya: 04:06

Okay.

Katya: 04:06

Which wasn't as wasn't as bad as I thought it had been.

Hannah: 04:09

No, that's not too bad.

Katya: 04:11

Because I was I was thinking if this is a catch-up, we're gonna need to cover kind of roughly that period. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. End of April 2024. So it's now the second of January. So it's been like it's been like eight months.

Hannah: 04:24

Yeah.

Katya: 04:24

And I'm now speaking to a married woman. You are yeah, I know. It's so different, Hannah. I'm just so much so much better than all those unmasked women. Yeah, my status of time to step.

Hannah: 04:41

Um, can you take Matty's last name?

Katya: 04:44

No, and I won't. I surprised myself by how strongly opposed to that I was. My auntie classic, my great aunt is like 83, 84, and so she's like a bit out of the loop. And so she sent me a Christmas check for like 30 quid, and she left the name blank because she was like, I don't know if you change your name, which obviously means that it won't clear because I don't think it's gonna pass any of the handwriting checks. So it I mean, it did it did fail, and I'm guessing it's because you can't send someone a check with a name blank and have them just fit in their name.

Hannah: 05:18

Yeah. I um I've been getting cards like Christmas cards saying on the envelope Mr. and Mrs. C, and then it has Chris's last name. I'm like, oh wow. Um, but no, I I haven't taken his last name, I've kept my own. I really felt like a I didn't think I would like care that much, but then I like felt like a real resistance to it. I was like, no. I'm somehow in my head, it's like me saying that Chris's identity is stronger than mine, you know. And I'm I know that lots of women take their husbands' last names and like they don't think of it in that way, but it was just the way I thought of it, and then yeah, so I couldn't I couldn't do it. Also, I couldn't be bothered with the admin of changing my last name.

Katya: 06:03

Yeah, I I know people don't for like the simplicity of it or wanting to like seem like a family unit, but I just think yeah, the the historic fact that it has just always been women who change, women change their name, and it does feel like um I don't know, like a little bit objectifying. Like I still don't like it when someone refers to me as Matty's wife. I'm like, no, I'm not his wife, like I'm Katya. You know, he's my husband if you want to go to bed, but like I'm not wife. But I think I don't know, maybe it's something childish in me but just as rebelling.

Hannah: 06:41

Yeah, yeah.

Hannah: 06:42

I think um maybe just as English lit students, we've been like trained to like really put quite a lot of sway on the power of words or something, but yeah, I think that's probably it.

Katya: 06:56

Because I think I went off on one with one of my friends who's married and had changed her name, and I went on and on about it, and she was just like, Yeah, I didn't really think I didn't really think about it. I just changed my name. Like, I don't like my surname, so I just changed it. And I was like, Oh, you didn't stay up all night, like seriously considering this and railing against everybody who told you you should.

Hannah: 07:16

I know, I know. I was like, some people like it's just not that deep.

Katya: 07:21

Yeah, yeah. So okay, so we we left off in April 2024. I recommend re-listening to it actually. I think you'd like it, Hannah.

Hannah: 07:29

Okay, okay.

Katya: 07:30

Um, one thing that has struck me and that I'm going to struggle with, I think, is I cannot handle the jingle. It I hate it. Like I can't. You hate the jingle. I hate the jingle, so like I had to skip it because I was like, this is the most obnoxious and annoying thing I've ever heard.

Hannah: 07:50

Really?

Katya: 07:52

Yeah.

Hannah: 07:53

Yeah. Oh my god, I love the jingle.

Katya: 07:55

Well, so did I. I remember being like so proud of it, and then I was just like, oh my god, like it's just I think we're gonna have to have a couple of jingle-free episodes. Oh gosh, okay, okay. Yeah, just like a new jingle, not amusing and it made me realize why like most podcasts just have like a vague tune. Oh, right, okay. Probably because like the first 10 podcasters who did jingles were like, this is now so annoying. So oh dear.

Hannah: 08:26

Sure. I will I will totally concede to you on that one. Thank you. You're not gonna fight me. I'm not gonna fight you. I don't have the energy anyway.

Katya: 08:35

There are other hills to die on. Yes, pick pick your battles. Yeah. Um, so I was gonna say, should we should we just talk about like where we are and what's happened since April 2024?

Hannah: 08:49

Yes, okay. Do you want to go first?

Katya: 08:52

You should go first while you have your voice and your beans, Hannah.

Hannah: 08:55

Okay, okay. So I was plodding along, doing my full-time job, and I just didn't really realize it was happening at the time, but I think I was just getting less and less and less energy in the evenings and on the weekends. And I think I was also just feeling like a bit more frazzled. I was working so hard, long hours and taking on lots of responsibilities and things, and it just it kind of crept up on me. I think, I think Chris could see the warning signs. He was like really worried about me for like many months before.

Katya: 09:40

And then just for context, you were working as a lecturer in speech therapy at a university, right?

Hannah: 09:47

Yes. Um, and then after I finished lecturing one day in early October, I'd finished and I could I felt myself over the course of the lecture, I could feel my legs feeling a bit kind of weaker and shaky, but I was still like on my feet and things. I was just, I wasn't really listening to my body. I was just in the moment, you know, just wanting to be there for the students. But at the end of the lecture, I then realized I actually could not lift my left leg high enough to be able to climb the stairs. Um my left my right leg was fine, it was just my left leg. There was a note a muscle, and it had just completely, I don't know, must have just worked to complete exhaustion. So I could not work, I couldn't, I had to like support myself on the railings to get myself up the stairs because the bloody lift was broken. Um and anyway, I had a colleague to help me and then Chris had to come and pick me up from work because obviously I wouldn't I couldn't drive because my left leg was not working. But I could, I could kind of shuffle. Where I was kind of like sliding my left leg along the ground, but I just could not lift it. And um yeah, so uh it kind of improved a bit over the weekend, but I felt really, really fatigued and so foggy and headache and just achy everywhere. I tried to go back to work the next week. I didn't take any sick leave or anything, and then um I just suddenly I just woke woke up one day and it was like I have nothing to give. Like usually when I would wake up, um, I feel groggy, but like the adrenaline of the day kind of wakes you up. You know, you like look at your phone, you're thinking about what you've got to do that day, and then your your brain starts racing, and you you start to get energy, and it just didn't happen. And I just I couldn't even, I couldn't really move around the house. I was shuffling around the house, I was really dizzy. It felt like when I was trying to think um or like construct a text or anything, it just felt like I was trying to draw blood from a stone. My brain just wasn't producing stuff. It was such a horrible, weird feeling. Yeah, so I I basically just biggest sort of crash, as it were, of my life. And I was pretty much bedbound for the first week at least. And it was kind of like in the course of 24 hours, really, like what I would have called a mild long COVID/slash fibromyalgia suddenly went down to moderate level of severity. Um, and I I think I'm still at that moderate level of severity now, like three months on. It's like I just fell through the ceiling into like the level below. But actually, that's one way of looking at it. But I think another way of looking at it is that potentially I have had a moderate level of disability for a long time, but I was running on adrenaline until suddenly I had no adrenaline left to give, like my fight or flight just response just collapsed. And now I'm actually facing the reality of just how exhausted I actually am now that I've finally taken my foot off the gas.

Katya: 13:25

I remember it's so weird because I remember seeing, I knew you were getting worse because like, and please don't feel bad about this, but I could see that you were more tired and I didn't want to ask you to do the podcast because I was like, well, Hannah, like I could sense that you were struggling. Yeah. And I know that your work, I feel like you've always worked full-time.

Hannah: 13:46

Yeah.

Katya: 13:47

Like since you got COVID, you were still doing five days. Some of your days you were having to go into campus and like climb a hill to then stand up and give lectures. And I feel I feel like I knew that you were struggling. This is maybe something like we could talk about at some point. It's so hard to it's hard to see because you want to help, but also it's also like you can't tell somebody or make somebody change their behaviors. No, I can see that you were working really hard, and I also know that being excellent is like one of your core values. It's like a big part of your personality. You you work really hard and really care about the work you're doing, even if it's not good for you.

Hannah: 14:35

Yeah.

Katya: 14:36

And I I guess just what I'm saying is like your crash took me by surprise because you just sent me a text one day saying I collapsed at work, I couldn't drive home, Chris had to come pick me up. And like at the time, I was like, oh shit, like I didn't. I felt like I saw you going downhill slowly, yeah, but your crash took me by surprise as well. I thought that you would just like go downhill slowly, and then you'd have a holiday, and then you go back up to like an average level of bad, and then you just go downhill slowly and then have a holiday. Yeah, a horrid cycle. I was like, I should have just said to Hannah ages ago something, but like what yeah. I don't know why I'm saying this.

Hannah: 15:19

It's just no, it's no, it, you know, it's it's it's nice, it's nice to hear as well that actually you were noticing it. Um, and obviously that you were caring about me from afar, which is lovely. I really do think it's part of my part of my personality pattern is um, you know, I'm just I'm an achiever, I'm a controller, a perfectionist. Like I like to do things right and properly and well and to like the highest possible standard of my ability. So like if I'm not always pushing, I I feel like I'm not doing it right.

Katya: 15:57

Yeah, if you're not like killing yourself, you're doing something wrong.

Hannah: 16:02

Oh my god. Um, it's it's terrible. But like shortly before my crash, I actually met with a therapist who like specializes in work-related stress, and he said to me, based on what you've told me about your work patterns and your like attitudes to work, and he was like, You are a workaholic, you get all that dopamine from all that hard work you're doing and all those wins that you get in your working day. Um, but you're addicted to it, and it's like at huge cost. And he was like, you know, he was like, if you don't start like changing stuff now, you're gonna burn out massively. And I was like, oh God, okay. So I was starting to take that seriously in my head, but I just didn't realise how soon around the corner that crash was.

Katya: 16:52

Yeah, it's always like that, isn't it? It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. When I have time, I'll focus on my health. Yeah. Like when it's convenient for me, when I've got all of my work done, then I will rest.

Hannah: 17:04

Exactly, exactly.

Katya: 17:06

After my PhD.

Hannah: 17:07

Yeah, I know. And that's the crazy thing, is like I actually was gonna be doing a PhD, I was well, a prof doc, and oh, what is wrong with me anyway? But um, so I've been off sick since October, trying to recover, and I'm still pretty bad, I'm gonna say. Like, I can do the basics of like, you know, looking after myself. Oh sorry, I've been visited. My my cat Snoopy's jumped on my lap. Yeah, I can do the basics of like washing myself, preparing really simple breakfast, and get myself dressed, and like I maybe can manage one chore a day, like maybe I'll unload the dishwasher or something. Snoopy.

Katya: 17:59

Snoopy actually just knocked the mind over then.

Hannah: 18:02

Snoopy's trying to rub his face on the microphone. No, calm down.

Katya: 18:05

He just wants to join in, Hannah.

Hannah: 18:06

I know, I know.

Katya: 18:08

Can you talk a bit about like it would be good to hear about the decision to quit work or to pause work? Because that's huge, Hannah.

Hannah: 18:15

Yeah, yeah. Shortly after my crash, I made the decision to resign. And for me, that is just absolutely huge because you know, as we've established already, like I love my work and my my career, who I am professionally, is quite a big part of my identity. And you know, I'm really lucky that I'm even in a position where I'm able to take a career break. But after like, yeah, speaking with Chris and my family, everyone around me was just like wanted me to stop working and to take time out.

Katya: 18:54

If you don't mind, I might share the voice note that I left you when you told me that you were going to quit because I just remember being so happy for you.

Hannah: 19:04

Yeah, your response was so helpful, honestly. It just I remember being really like emotional when you replied because it just calmed all the guilt that I was feeling about the decision. But yeah, I want to play it now.

Katya: 19:22

Uh okay, this is Katia, post-production for my brother's bedroom, inserting those voice notes. Hi Katia.

Hannah: 19:31

Um, I am just acknowledging receipt of your messages. Um I'm not I'm not in a good way at all. Um I think I really have properly crashed in a big quite a big way. Um and yeah, I'm gonna speak to the GP, and I think really I should get signed off for a little while and been speaking to my parents, and my mum and dad are actually really keen for me to quit my job and take like at least a year out to try and recover my strength and try to get back to a sense of well, just try and like stabilize a bit more and then slowly, slowly go back to work, but try and like do part-time stuff and gradually build it up again. I think they're just really worried. Um, and and yeah, obviously Chris is really worried about me and stuff, so um, yeah.

Katya: 20:41

Hey love. Um, just before I was turning you back, I'm in the car with Matty, so you might hear some background noise. Um, that sounds really bad. Yeah, that just must be really stressful. To be honest, I think your parents' idea is really good. I think that you should take it, like if they're willing to support you and give you a year of rest, I think you should absolutely do that. Like, the the work will always be there for you, right? You're so clever, you're so qualified, and you'll be able to resume your work and your PhD or like or whatever it is you want to do. But time only goes in one way, you know, and you only get your 30s once. So if you have an opportunity to take a year out and really focus on resting and looking after yourself, if you can, I would definitely take that. Definitely take that, Hannah. Okay, those were our voice notes. I hope you can hear how excited I was at the thought that Hannah might actually take some time to seriously rest. Um, yeah, back to the conversation.

Hannah: 21:58

Something I had to think about was. I had to redefine my goals for my life because like I'm quite goal-oriented. And so it was like, right, well, if I'm not going to be working towards career-related goals, what can I be doing with the next year and a bit of my life that I'm not working? As soon as I like reframed it, it was like, oh, well, that's really easy. I've got loads of things to like motivate me and loads of things I can be working on during this time. Like one of my goals is to be able to do a flat 45-minute walk in the countryside with ease. So that is a physical goal. Another goal is I want to go to my sister's wedding in May, and I want to be able to be there for all of it. I don't want to have to be like missing the speeches or leaving like really early straight after the meal and miss kind of the music and the dancing and stuff. Like I want to show up and be able to be there for the whole thing. Like obviously, I'll have to take breaks, but at my other sister's wedding, I felt like I was so shattered that I could only manage it in parts, and I had to tap out for really big parts of the day. And it just felt it just didn't feel satisfying at all.

Katya: 23:16

Yeah.

Hannah: 23:17

And I just I want to do more than that. So yeah, and other things like you know, spending quality time with Chris, like something he was saying about holidays, which I was like, oh God, I am like that, aren't I? And I felt really bad about it. Was that when we've taken holidays since I've been ill, a lot of the time I've I've given all of my energy to work that week to get all my jobs done before my holiday, that I then crash really badly during the holiday, and I can't, there's so little that I'm actually up to doing.

Katya: 23:50

Yeah.

Hannah: 23:51

And he was just saying how like he just wants to be able to like be with me on holidays or you know, quality time on the weekends, and for me to to feel like I'm actually really there, and not just like a shell of myself, just like propped up next to him.

Katya: 24:08

Um like I'm physically here. What more do you want? Um that um that reminded me of one of the reasons I stepped back from the podcast a bit. This isn't this wasn't this year, this was maybe like a year ago or something. We had started the podcast, and do you remember we'd been recording like an episode every two weeks for like the first series? That was how we did the first series, and then I was doing loads of stuff on Instagram to like raise awareness about it. And Matty said to me once, because like that was taking up all of the energy that I wasn't spending on just living and like getting through work. Yeah, and Matty once said to me, and I could see he was upset, but he was like, I get the weekends with you, but whenever you're well, you just do the podcast, and I felt so bad. I just wasn't resting so that I could be present for him. Yeah, it was like, well, you're with me all the time. Like, what does it matter if I'm sick when I'm with you and well when I'm doing other things? But it really mattered, yeah, yeah.

Hannah: 25:22

I that was actually one of the big things that I think hit me the hardest and was a really big factor in me deciding to quit work. It's like strangely, everything people were telling me about all the dangers to my own health, I like ignored. But then as soon as I realized, like, oh god, I'm actually really letting Chris would dispute this. Yeah, this is in my head. But I feel like, oh crap, I'm actually letting down the person who means like the most in the world to me and whose like relationship I value so highly, and I'm not giving to that, like what it and it that really changed the way I thought about it. And yeah, I've been trying to think a bit more about what value I have in the world as a human outside of my career, but also then what in turn I find valuable.

Katya: 26:20

Yeah, that's huge though, Hannah. I think you're unnecessarily harsh. I think you know, you've always been doing your best and doing what you thought was best at the time, and it's like, yeah, you were working, you you maybe weren't as present for Chris on the weekends or on holidays, but it's like your job provided financial support. So you were you you were you know, you were doing what you thought was right, but then I think there's such a maturity in being like, okay, well, there are other people in my life, and I'm useless to them if I'm not as well as I can possibly be.

Hannah: 26:55

Yeah.

Katya: 26:56

Because like it's so true, you can't really care for someone else if you're, you know, a zombie. Yes, exactly. Which is which is kind of what a long COVID crash turns you into.

Hannah: 27:10

Oh, it really is a fiber episode.

Hannah: 27:13

Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. Um, but one of the really good things that's come out of this is that it's definitely reignited my motivation to kind of re-engage with health literature, try and re-engage with ways to really try and improve my state of health. And I've read I read a really good book called Decode Your Fatigue by Alex Howard, which I would recommend to readers. Um, who and he founded the Optimum Health Clinic in London, and they do like online appointments. And so I have started their package, their program.

Katya: 27:55

We should do an episode on this kind of slightly.

Hannah: 27:58

Like I can go into all sorts of detail about like what I've learnt, which is loads about how fatigue is playing out in my body and what's been causing it all, and how I can try to yeah, improve it. Um, I'm learning loads. So yeah, that but that's definitely for another another episode for sure.

Katya: 28:18

Do you like an updated like long COVID self-care?

Hannah: 28:21

Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. Definitely.

Katya: 28:23

Because we did that when we knew absolutely nothing. And we we we literally just spoke about the things that don't work.

Hannah: 28:32

God, no, I think what we had learned a lot about was how to stop doing stuff that was like really obviously damaging our bodies. Like we had learned some things, but yeah, we've definitely progressed since then. Bless us.

Katya: 28:47

It was actually that was your um brilliant explanation of pacing. What was it?

Hannah: 28:51

Pacing, planning, and yeah, which now, like for us, the idea of pacing is just oh yeah, whatever. But that was like a mind-blowing thing for us back in the early days, wasn't it? It was, it was.

Katya: 29:03

Yeah, so so so that's me. Um can I just ask Hannah what it was like handing in your notice?

Hannah: 29:11

I was really, really, really nervous, and I thought loads about like the timing of it and the small amount of energy that I had in like the week beforehand I'd given to writing my resignation letter. Because like I just wanted to do it sensitively and professionally, and but my colleagues and like my manager have been supportive about it, I think, as well, because because they know like this is a health issue, it's just not something people can like argue with, you know. It's like yeah no, like I just I've hit a wall physically, like I am not physically capable of doing this job any longer. I met with occupational health who were really supportive. Yeah, so I've got an op health review in January, and yeah, my notice doesn't actually finish until end of March. It's like So you're not you're long term sick still, right? I'm still long-term sick, yeah. Yeah, still long-term sick.

Katya: 30:18

Okay, yeah.

Hannah: 30:19

Oh, I can feel my voice is starting to go. Can you hear that?

Katya: 30:22

Oh yeah, yeah. No, let's wrap it up. Um yeah. Thank you for that, Hannah. It's like it's so weird because obviously I was there for all of it and I I know about it, but hearing it all told together is it's very moving. I feel it's weird. I feel enormously sad that this has happened to you and that it got so bad. But I also just feel so happy that you are going to have, I guess it will be a year out, a year out is your plan, right?

Hannah: 30:55

Yeah, and I've said a year, like very like roughly. Like I think I want at least a year. Yeah. Um, and then we'll just play it by year after that. And yeah, I just don't know. I can't think about it too much. I just try not to think about it, otherwise, I start getting all anxious about like, fuck, I don't know what I'm gonna be doing in the future. What job am I gonna be doing? Oh my god. So I try not to think too much about it and try and focus just on the now, right now, the next year is all I need to be thinking about.

Katya: 31:26

Yep. As you said, and I still say this to myself all the time with your voice, because you said it on one of the podcast episodes. You were like, I'm in my own lane, I'm on my own journey. And I think it makes sense that it's like we'll just get through today. And today, today is a day of rest. I'm really excited for you. I just felt really happy.

Hannah: 31:49

Thank you. Thank you.

Katya: 31:53

Thanks so much for listening. We hope you enjoyed this episode and that you join us next time.

Hannah: 31:57

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